How much leakage current is there?
Looking for obvious sources of leakage
Looking for less obvious sources of leakage
Is there a short cut?
What happens if you do nothing?
14 Comments
Mitch Mills
Hello, Why would older Ferroresonant chargers be likely culprits? What is the issue with them? I believe the older Charles Chargers for instance are Ferroresonant.
Peter Kennedy
Maybe it is due to a breakdown in the insulation on the windings of the transformer.
Michael Rowden
Why would turning off my 12volt galvonic isolators keep the ELCI from tripping. Boat is connected to power with all 110 ac breakers off
Peter Kennedy
If you have Fail Safe galvanic isolators they wont be the source of the problem. If you have one ones with a testing circuit its possible that the testing circuit could be causing the breaker to trip. If you use Fail Safe galvanic isolators you won't have a self testing circuit
Michael Rowden
Why would turning off my 12volt galvonic isolators keep the ELCI from tripping. Boat is connected to power with all 110 ac breakers off
Andy Wade
I have a main 30a breaker tripping. Reset the main with all circuits off, turn one circuit on at a time starting with the smallest load every circuit trips the main on its own. Removed the load side wires from each breaker and checked to ground. Tested good no continuity. Reset the main tried each breaker and doesn't trip. The incoming side of the breakers has1 wire attached to a small buss bar connecting incoming power to the other breakers. It has the same type bar for grounds and does have a galvanic isolator on the ground between the panel and shore power. I'm leaning towards a ground issue. Any thoughts?
Andy Wade
I have a main 30a breaker tripping. Reset the main with all circuits off, turn one circuit on at a time starting with the smallest load every circuit trips the main on its own. Removed the load side wires from each breaker and checked to ground. Tested good no continuity. Reset the main tried each breaker and doesn't trip. The incoming side of the breakers has1 wire attached to a small buss bar connecting incoming power to the other breakers. It has the same type bar for grounds and does have a galvanic isolator on the ground between the panel and shore power. I'm leaning towards a ground issue. Any thoughts?
Jamie Alberts
I’ve just rewired and installed a 50 amp shore power connection into my boat. I bring this into an isolation transformer. When I use a clamp meter I see no leakage however my marina’s ground fault light will go off. It doesn’t trip the breaker but I believe that may be an issue on their side. When I reset the fault at the MarinaGuard the fault doesn’t reappear And I continue to have power. If I unplug and plug back in, I get the fault light. I’m a bit lost on what could be happening. I’ve followed all wiring standards except that I don’t have an elci on my shore power which I will rectify.
Jon B
I just went to a newly renovated marina with 30A gfci’s at each slip. I could have the batttery charger running, electric stove and microwave was fine, but when i turned on the 16K btu AC unit it attempted to start but tripped the breaker. I tried a number of different shore power connections including a 50A connection- all gfcis tripped. I also found that i could run the AC unit in fan mode only- so it was only when the compressor started to run that the gfci tripped. Boat is a 2002 wellcraft 2600- we have been to many marinas without having an issue. AC unit was installed by wellcraft. What could cause this issue? Would a soft start unit help this issue?
Peter Kennedy
If it is the ELCI part of the breaker that is tripping a soft start isn't going to help. If you have a ground fault it is a percentage of the current flowing in the circuit. The more current in the circuit the more ground fault current. That why it was OK with the fan but not with the compressor.
Gary
My 1980 sailboat trips the gfi on the pedestal. It does this with all ac breakers in an off position (older pedestals work fine). Only circuits I have are 120 outlets & water heater. The only device the incoming ac current sees is a”xantrex freedom marine 20 inverter charger.” The centrex tries to power up, but the gfi breaker trips. Comments & suggestions welcome for help with solving this problem.
rick selles
on my 2007 formula the shore power breaker trips as soon as i turn on the boats main switch, even with all panel breakers off. any ideas?
Kevin Holcombe
Have a Marlow 57 2, 50amp shore power cords and have been working on problem for weeks. First we would trip as soon as any main switch was turn on. Separated the neutral and ground on dryer. Now we can turn on one 50amp but turn on second 50amp it trips. So the search go on.
Brian
The electrician that fixed 2 loads that we’re bonded (washer dryer combo and stove) prior to moving houseboat to new dock with GFP ground fault protection said that my old inverter charger (1993) would not work and I would need to replace with a new inverter. I’m on the new dock and I can only use shore power if the AC input / output is fully bypassed from old inverter, I cannot even have the AC connected to the inverter terminal block with inverter turned off, it has to be fully bypassed. It’s a Trace Engineering U2512 from 1993. Do I need a new marine inverter?
Mike Lahowin
Mr. Kennedy, I came across an old article explaining why you should add ani solation transformer to a boat. After reading that article, I began thinking of a problem I'm having where the dockside GFI breaker pops the second I switch over from Generator to Shore power on my boat. Would adding an isolation transformer to my vessel eliminate the dockside GFI problem I'm having in lieu of hunting down the supposed connection problem I might have on the boat between the neutral and ground wires? Just curious.
shaun
my marina received power upgrades this year. i installed a new stering pro charger last year and it worked fine on the old shore power. this year with the new shore power as soon as the charger comes on with no dc power being used just charging the batteries it trips the shore power . i can reset the breaker really fast 2-4 times and the fans on the charger slow down the power is fine but when the charger cycles back up it tris again . its almost like when the charger does its self test it trips the shore power breaker
Brent
We moved our 84 Carver Mariner to a new Marina with GFCI protection. What we have noticed is we cannot turn on both 30 amp shore powers, the AC compressor starts will blow the GFCI. However is we only use 1 show power, doesn't matter which one it will stay on for hours to days (random). We have had a electrician go through the boat, and test the dock with no luck finding the source of the problem. We cant seem to isolate it to a cause. Any advise of what to look at next? Currently we are only leaving on the side that powers the inverter / charger. It will stay on anywhere from hours to weeks....
Peter Kennedy
The most obvious thing to check here is if the neutrals from the two shore power services are connected to each other somewhere on board. This is an absolute no no and is guaranteed to trip the ELCI breaker because a portion of the current will use the second neutral as its return path.